A vibrant community of people who rarely agree with each other but who all love philosophy, this is the place for philosophical discussions about knowledge and truth, consciousness and the mind, รขโ‚ฌยฆ Although zen people have always appreciated nature, and built their hermitages near mountains and waterfalls, i do not advocate a complete return to the ways of nature: The zen folks of the past รขโ‚ฌยฆ